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Not very credible.
1. Fired (disgruntled) former employee.
2. Fired for helping out the other teams' pitchers (***???).
Yeah, this guy is on the up and up.
Would be interesting to see if visiting pitchers generally had better games at Anaheim than any other road stadium (presumably their home stats would be best since that would provide an outsized sample size and "there's not place like home.")Last edited by Dumpjerry; 01-08-2021, 01:34 PM.
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An SI article in March reported that he was fired for doctoring balls and supplying players with foreign substances for use. Really is a weird situation and I tend to believe where there's smoke, there's fire. Doesn't mean I take everything this guy is saying as 100% truth, but its clearly worth cracking down and investigating further.
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Originally posted by Dumpjerry View PostNot very credible.
1. Fired (disgruntled) former employee.
2. Fired for helping out the other teams' pitchers (***???).
Yeah, this guy is on the up and up.
Would be interesting to see if visiting pitchers generally had better games at Anaheim than any other road stadium (presumably their home stats would be best since that would provide an outsized sample size and "there's not place like home.")
He may be a disgruntled former employee, but there are some pretty incriminating text messages showing players appearing to ask this guy for pine tar.
Though how bad is the Angels pitching stuff if they had the Tony Montana of pine tar working for them and they still couldn't pitch Mike Trout to the playoffs.Last edited by HomeFish; 01-09-2021, 12:26 PM."Hope...may be indulged in by those who have abundant resources...but those who stake their all upon the venture see it in its true colors only after they are ruined."
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Originally posted by HomeFish View Post
The story goes that this guy was taught how to make a special blend of pine tar by former Angels relief pitcher Troy Percival, and this special blend was so good that other pitchers lined up to buy this stuff from him when they were in Anaheim.
He may be a disgruntled former employee, but there are some pretty incriminating text messages showing players appearing to ask this guy for pine tar.
Though how bad is the Angels pitching stuff if they had the Tony Montana of pine tar working for them and they still couldn't pitch Mike Trout to the playoffs.
I don't care about this kind of stuff as much as I do other forms of cheating. It's always existed in baseball. Getting away with it - or not - has always been part of the fun of the game. But it needs to happen in game if they're getting caught.
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Originally posted by vegandork View Post
I don't care about this kind of stuff as much as I do other forms of cheating. It's always existed in baseball. Getting away with it - or not - has always been part of the fun of the game. But it needs to happen in game if they're getting caught.
Cheating part of the fun of the game? Like stealing signs, which has been part of the game forever? A little inconsistency there.
Four Sox Gold Gloves in 1960.
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Originally posted by FourGoldGloves View Post
If you have a rule that is more violated than adhered to then it becomes a means of selective enforcement for other reasons, like the pine tar bat incident. If everyone is a criminal anyone can be punished for any reason. I say either enforce the rule (not likely in general) or take it off the books.
Cheating part of the fun of the game? Like stealing signs, which has been part of the game forever? A little inconsistency there.
There was no gray area in what the Astros did, no inconsistency with their punishment. In fact, A.J. Hinch is lucky to be still eligible for baseball employment.
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