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  • *Official* 4/23 The beatings go on...

    Another day, another embarrassing loss...

    Another day, another injury...

    Another day, another garbage start by the back end of the rotation...

    Another day, another error...

    The one thing this franchise has done well over the decades is disappoint the fan base.

    These players all look like Greek gods, yet they all seem as fragile as a pain of glass.

    Sox now 2-6 against "supposedly" the easiest division in baseball.
    Last edited by Lipman 1; 04-23-2022, 07:07 PM.

  • #2
    The Vince Velasquez experiment should end ASAP, his lifetime ERA is 4.94, so all of a sudden he's going to have an epiphany and make up for the loss of Rodon. Not.
    Now coming up to bat for the White Sox is the Mighty Mite, Nelson Fox.

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    • #3
      Originally posted by Lipman 1 View Post
      DVS of the Sun-Times expresses pretty damn well the feelings of Sox fans right about now:
      If and when Eloy is healthy again, the Sox have to seriously think about getting as much as they can for him, he's just too fragile to rely on anymore. Vaughn should then become the regular leftfielder with Sheets as DH.
      Last edited by Nellie Fox; 04-23-2022, 07:22 PM.
      Now coming up to bat for the White Sox is the Mighty Mite, Nelson Fox.

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      • #4
        Originally posted by LITTLE NELL View Post
        The Vince Velasquez experiment should end ASAP, his lifetime ERA is 4.94, so all of a sudden he's going to have an epiphany and make up for the loss of Rodon. Not.
        Another reclamation project on the rocks.

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        • #5
          Originally posted by LITTLE NELL View Post
          The Vince Velasquez experiment should end ASAP, his lifetime ERA is 4.94, so all of a sudden he's going to have an epiphany and make up for the loss of Rodon. Not.
          Obviously the front office thought he was the answer.

          I can't blame them for Rodon, not with his injury history, but they knew, they ABSOLUTELY knew they needed starting pitching help given Kopech's on an innings limit and Keuchel appeared to be on his last legs. Instead they did nothing of substance.

          I can't explain why, that's the way of the White Sox.

          But honestly with all the other issues (including the manager) the starting pitching issues just gets lost in everything else.

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          • #6
            Originally posted by Lipman 1 View Post

            Obviously the front office thought he was the answer.

            I can't blame them for Rodon, not with his injury history, but they knew, they ABSOLUTELY knew they needed starting pitching help given Kopech's on an innings limit and Keuchel appeared to be on his last legs. Instead they did nothing of substance.

            I can't explain why, that's the way of the White Sox.

            But honestly with all the other issues (including the manager) the starting pitching issues just gets lost in everything else.
            The answer as the 6th or 7th starter? Yes... yes they did...
            Riding Shotgun on the Sox Bandwagon since before there was an Internet...



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            • #7
              Originally posted by voodoochile View Post

              The answer as the 6th or 7th starter? Yes... yes they did...
              Don’t you know, Voodoo, that if we just threw enough guaranteed money at them and outbid all the other MLB teams, Robbie Ray and Kevin Gausman both would have signed with us to pitch for Charlotte, waiting for someone to get hurt to be promoted to the big league club. 🤡

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              • #8
                Originally posted by Lipman 1 View Post

                Obviously the front office thought he was the answer.

                I can't blame them for Rodon, not with his injury history, but they knew, they ABSOLUTELY knew they needed starting pitching help given Kopech's on an innings limit and Keuchel appeared to be on his last legs. Instead they did nothing of substance.

                I can't explain why, that's the way of the White Sox.

                But honestly with all the other issues (including the manager) the starting pitching issues just gets lost in everything else.
                And Kevin Gausman was available as a FA for money and no trade was necessary. I still bothers me that the Sox passed on him.

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                • #9
                  We're now 45-42 since mid season 2021- I think it's likely that we've seen the peak of the rebuild- Eloy is made of glass, Robert and Moncada similarly fragile, TA is regressing on defense, Abreu, Grandal and Harrison are all showing their age. The bullpen seems OK to me especially with Kelly on the way back, BUT letting Rodon go leaving us with 3 legit starters, an aging Lance Lynn who is (self described) not into conditioning, and a washed up Keuchel- leaves us with a starting rotation not up to championship caliber.

                  I don't have alot of confidence in TLR and his staff (other than Katz) to right the ship....and players seems to improve when they leave the White Sox (Kimbrel, Rodon, Collins)- and no real help available from the farm system.

                  In retrospect- I think history will show that bringing TLR back (which I supported at the time), the Madrigal trade for Kimbrel (I also supported) and not extending a qualifying offer to Rodon (I disagreed with at the time) were three major mistakes by JR/KW/Hahn.

                  For a team to be so lifeless and so mediocre fundamentally (defense, baserunning) a few weeks into what is supposed to be their championship run is completely disheartening.
                  #1 White Sox fan in Leland, MI

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by StanBahnsen72 View Post
                    We're now 45-42 since mid season 2021- I think it's likely that we've seen the peak of the rebuild- Eloy is made of glass, Robert and Moncada similarly fragile, TA is regressing on defense, Abreu, Grandal and Harrison are all showing their age. The bullpen seems OK to me especially with Kelly on the way back, BUT letting Rodon go leaving us with 3 legit starters, an aging Lance Lynn who is (self described) not into conditioning, and a washed up Keuchel- leaves us with a starting rotation not up to championship caliber.

                    I don't have alot of confidence in TLR and his staff (other than Katz) to right the ship....and players seems to improve when they leave the White Sox (Kimbrel, Rodon, Collins)- and no real help available from the farm system.

                    In retrospect- I think history will show that bringing TLR back (which I supported at the time), the Madrigal trade for Kimbrel (I also supported) and not extending a qualifying offer to Rodon (I disagreed with at the time) were three major mistakes by JR/KW/Hahn.

                    For a team to be so lifeless and so mediocre fundamentally (defense, baserunning) a few weeks into what is supposed to be their championship run is completely disheartening.
                    I feel the exact same way. The biggest problem with the rebuild was not building a good minor league system during the rebuild years. So as a result this turns into it’s now or basically never for the current regime. They should have seen it that way and over spent and overpaid for their last hurrah but that’s never part of the equation for this ownership.

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                    • #11
                      Another April where the Sox fall flat on their face. Hopefully they don't bury themselves too far in the standings before they can get their act together.

                      I still think they'll win the division, but all the "too good to fail" talk heading into this season was too optimistic.
                      White Sox Division Titles: 1983, 1993, 2000, 2005, 2008, 2021

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by Hitmen77 View Post
                        Another April where the Sox fall flat on their face. Hopefully they don't bury themselves too far in the standings before they can get their act together.

                        I still think they'll win the division, but all the "too good to fail" talk heading into this season was too optimistic.
                        For years people thought April Showers brought May Flowers, but in reality they were really tears from White Sox fans….

                        Yes, it’s been a gloomy month, but the rest of the Division has their noses in the mud as well, so anything is possible in the Bad News Bears Central.

                        BK59

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by Hitmen77 View Post
                          Another April where the Sox fall flat on their face. Hopefully they don't bury themselves too far in the standings before they can get their act together.

                          I still think they'll win the division, but all the "too good to fail" talk heading into this season was too optimistic.
                          They are one game out of first presently. Gonna be hard to bury ourselves that deep with a week to go and obviously any team can get chewed up by injuries. Fortunately most of the big name injuries look to be short term things and Gio comes back tomorrow,
                          Riding Shotgun on the Sox Bandwagon since before there was an Internet...



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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by StanBahnsen72 View Post
                            I think history will show that bringing TLR back (which I supported at the time), the Madrigal trade for Kimbrel (I also supported) and not extending a qualifying offer to Rodon (I disagreed with at the time) were three major mistakes by JR/KW/Hahn.
                            Speaking as someone with experience, i'm wondering if LaRussa might have dementia issues . Madrigal may never be more than average, but i would definitely have kept him . everyone knew Rodon would be great this season, but for how long, seemed like a big gamble to me.

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by StanBahnsen72 View Post
                              We're now 45-42 since mid season 2021- I think it's likely that we've seen the peak of the rebuild- Eloy is made of glass, Robert and Moncada similarly fragile, TA is regressing on defense, Abreu, Grandal and Harrison are all showing their age. The bullpen seems OK to me especially with Kelly on the way back, BUT letting Rodon go leaving us with 3 legit starters, an aging Lance Lynn who is (self described) not into conditioning, and a washed up Keuchel- leaves us with a starting rotation not up to championship caliber.

                              I don't have alot of confidence in TLR and his staff (other than Katz) to right the ship....and players seems to improve when they leave the White Sox (Kimbrel, Rodon, Collins)- and no real help available from the farm system.

                              In retrospect- I think history will show that bringing TLR back (which I supported at the time), the Madrigal trade for Kimbrel (I also supported) and not extending a qualifying offer to Rodon (I disagreed with at the time) were three major mistakes by JR/KW/Hahn.

                              For a team to be so lifeless and so mediocre fundamentally (defense, baserunning) a few weeks into what is supposed to be their championship run is completely disheartening.
                              Spot-on analysis.

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