Lip's all injuries all the time wonderthread extravaganza!

[Lipman 1]

At least Vaughn gets to play now?

This is comical.

Remember this is all "bad luck" according to some.

Fair enough.

I guess if that is true than I can think that until JR, Kenny and Hahn are shoved out the door the Sox "luck" won't ever change.

With all due respect I can't subscribe to that belief.

Something fundamentally is being missed by the Sox medical, conditioning and training staffs that is contributing to this rash of injuries over the past several years, not just this year and last year.

Hahn said this winter the Sox were conducting a study to try to get to the root of the issue, and I thought that was a great idea, well-founded.

But to the best of my knowledge Hahn never explained (and the mainstream media never asked him) the following questions:

*What did the study find?
*What conclusions did the Sox reach from it?
*SPECIFICALLY what changes were instituted?

All we know for sure is they replaced the strength and conditioning coach and they placed an ad for a "biomechanical specialist" (for wont of a better word).

Like I posted a few days ago until the Sox can wrap their arms around this issue this team will never reach their full potential and sooner rather than later the core is going to start departing closing the window.

Just my opinion (and I've tried to be respectful is this post explaining my beliefs)

[VenturaBlvd]

All I could do is laugh. This is unreal.

[Lipman 1]

Cold weather short ST... hopefully it's just a tweak and precautionary.

Voodoo: With respect.

The "shortened" spring may be a factor but I can tell you I've interviewed hundreds of players and I've never had a single guy tell me, "When the season ended I sat on my ass for four months."

These guys work out, they run, they swing a bat in a cage, they throw, many have personal trainers. The guys who live in warm weather climates are out on baseball fields.

[voodoochile]

Voodoo: With respect.

The "shortened" spring may be a factor but I can tell you I've interviewed hundreds of players and I've never had a single guy tell me, "When the season ended I sat on my ass for four months."

These guys work out, they run, they swing a bat in a cage, they throw, many have personal trainers. The guys who live in warm weather climates are out on baseball fields.

He's also an older player with a history of injuries. He's going to be very careful rather than risk a bigger issue. If it tightened up he was wise to take himself out. Hopefully he misses at most a couple games. With Engel and Vaughn, we should be fine.

[notjimrose]

All I could do is laugh. This is unreal.

I can guarantee you they will not lose a player to injury during every game this year. I think.

[Lipman 1]

He's also an older player with a history of injuries. He's going to be very careful rather than risk a bigger issue. If it tightened up he was wise to take himself out. Hopefully he misses at most a couple games. With Engel and Vaughn, we should be fine.

Voodoo: I wasn't specifically talking about Pollock but just in general terms. Yea he does have a bad injury history which was pointed out to me when I got that e-mail from one of the beat writers who was predicting he'd get hurt again.

[thomas35forever]

Remember this is all "bad luck" according to some.

Fair enough.

I guess if that is true than I can think that until JR, Kenny and Hahn are shoved out the door the Sox "luck" won't ever change.

With all due respect I can't subscribe to that belief.

Something fundamentally is being missed by the Sox medical, conditioning and training staffs that is contributing to this rash of injuries over the past several years, not just this year and last year.

Hahn said this winter the Sox were conducting a study to try to get to the root of the issue, and I thought that was a great idea, well-founded.

But to the best of my knowledge Hahn never explained (and the mainstream media never asked him) the following questions:

*What did the study find?
*What conclusions did the Sox reach from it?
*SPECIFICALLY what changes were instituted?

All we know for sure is they replaced the strength and conditioning coach and they placed an ad for a "biomechanical specialist" (for wont of a better word).

Like I posted a few days ago until the Sox can wrap their arms around this issue this team will never reach their full potential and sooner rather than later the core is going to start departing closing the window.

Just my opinion (and I've tried to be respectful is this post explaining my beliefs)

Here's an idea. You're a journalist. Why don't you conduct your own in-depth research via interviews, FOIAs, etc. and then publish your findings somewhere? You seem convinced beyond a reasonable doubt about the root of the problem, so rather than continue to hypothesize on this board until the cows come home, how about actually researching it and putting an end to the speculation once and for all?

[Domeshot17]

My concern is yes it’s cold yes st is short but other teams are not losing guys at the rate we are.

[voodoochile]

Asking to try to keep this thread on target. It's a game thread. If people want to discuss injury history/expectations/training staff/etc. Please take it to the season thread or start a new one.

[ChiTownTrojan]

Remember this is all "bad luck" according to some.

Fair enough.

I guess if that is true than I can think that until JR, Kenny and Hahn are shoved out the door the Sox "luck" won't ever change.

With all due respect I can't subscribe to that belief.

Something fundamentally is being missed by the Sox medical, conditioning and training staffs that is contributing to this rash of injuries over the past several years, not just this year and last year.

Hahn said this winter the Sox were conducting a study to try to get to the root of the issue, and I thought that was a great idea, well-founded.

But to the best of my knowledge Hahn never explained (and the mainstream media never asked him) the following questions:

*What did the study find?
*What conclusions did the Sox reach from it?
*SPECIFICALLY what changes were instituted?

All we know for sure is they replaced the strength and conditioning coach and they placed an ad for a "biomechanical specialist" (for wont of a better word).

Like I posted a few days ago until the Sox can wrap their arms around this issue this team will never reach their full potential and sooner rather than later the core is going to start departing closing the window.

Just my opinion (and I've tried to be respectful is this post explaining my beliefs)

Pollock has been in the organization for like a week. That’s some quick work by the Sox conditioning staff to get him onboard the Ehite Sox plan of getting everyone hurt. Impressive that they were able to erase the past 4 years of being part of the infallible Dodgers organization in such a short time.

[BigKlu59]

Calling Dr. Kildare. This is getting just plain ridiculous.

You got that right…. This is turning into a regular “General Hospital”

[Lipman 1]

Here's an idea. You're a journalist. Why don't you conduct your own in-depth research via interviews, FOIAs, etc. and then publish your findings somewhere? You seem convinced beyond a reasonable doubt about the root of the problem, so rather than continue to hypothesize on this board until the cows come home, how about actually researching it and putting an end to the speculation once and for all?

Because I don't have the cache to be able to investigate and get any type of co-operation from the White Sox or Major League Baseball in this regard.

Which is why I suggested doing exactly what you are proposing to some of the media folks in Chicago I know who DO have the ability to at least get in the door and ask the questions.

If I e-mail Hahn for example or one of the Sox medical team (which is listed in the media guide) I'll get zero response. Stating that right now I write for Southside Sox and White Sox Interactive, with all due respect to those sites, isn't worth a dime to the Sox.

In the meantime as the injuries pile up year after year, those who continue to think it's just "bad White Sox luck" are welcome to continue to do so. Like I said if that is an acceptable response then so is mine or my thought that until JR, Kenny, Hahn and the entire baseball side of the operation is booted out the door the "bad luck" will continue.

[Lipman 1]

My concern is yes it’s cold yes st is short but other teams are not losing guys at the rate we are.

Exactly and it's been that way for the past four years at both the Major league and minor league level.

[voodoochile]

Exactly and it's been that way for the past four years at both the Major league and minor league level.

Take it to another thread!

[Frater Perdurabo]

Remember this is all "bad luck" according to some.

Fair enough.

I guess if that is true than I can think that until JR, Kenny and Hahn are shoved out the door the Sox "luck" won't ever change.

With all due respect I can't subscribe to that belief.

Something fundamentally is being missed by the Sox medical, conditioning and training staffs that is contributing to this rash of injuries over the past several years, not just this year and last year.

Hahn said this winter the Sox were conducting a study to try to get to the root of the issue, and I thought that was a great idea, well-founded.

But to the best of my knowledge Hahn never explained (and the mainstream media never asked him) the following questions:

*What did the study find?
*What conclusions did the Sox reach from it?
*SPECIFICALLY what changes were instituted?

All we know for sure is they replaced the strength and conditioning coach and they placed an ad for a "biomechanical specialist" (for wont of a better word).

Like I posted a few days ago until the Sox can wrap their arms around this issue this team will never reach their full potential and sooner rather than later the core is going to start departing closing the window.

Just my opinion (and I've tried to be respectful is this post explaining my beliefs)

Soft tissue injuries have actually been on the rise all across baseball, as 30 seconds of Google searching revealed in this 2021 story in The New York Times.

Consequently, I refuse to subscribe to what is basically being insinuated, that somehow the Sox medical and training staff is exceptionally incompetent.

Finally, while I sure would like to have all the inside scoop as to what’s happening inside the Sox organization, for the Sox to reveal everything to the fans and the public about what they are learning and doing - including in the areas of training - would also reveal that same information to the competition.