The Leury thread...

[Bird Of Prey]

Houston catches everything that's hit it seems and they've done it all year. The Sox continue to have serious issues in this regard and have probably since that 2005 team.

I agree Hamilton a terrific defensive outfielder (who unfortunately can't hit worth a damn) should have been out there, that's why he's on the roster right? To play defense and run in the late innings.

I disagree a bit on the defense a little. Their infield defense with Hernandez at 2nd base is good. When they have Robert and Engel in the outfield their outfield with the exception of left field is good also. Their real problem is catching and their pitchers shutting down the running game.. That being said, i think that they need to trade for or sign a good two way right fielder as well as a good two way catcher. Grandal has to be replaced behind the plate. Maybe its his legs or whatever but he just cannot stop a ball worth a crap. He's a quality offensive weapon so he just should be rotated between 1B/DH/and C.

[Lipman 1]

Correction. Two months of silence on everything.

You Leury fanboys drove me out of town, just like you did to Munch and everybody else who had problems with the way this team was constructed. Well, here’s what your “great backup” “Swiss Army knife” bull**** gets you when it really matters.

Enjoy.

Houston catches everything that's hit it seems and they've done it all year. The Sox continue to have serious issues in this regard and have probably since that 2005 team.

I agree Hamilton a terrific defensive outfielder (who unfortunately can't hit worth a damn) should have been out there, that's why he's on the roster right? To play defense and run in the late innings.

[Bird Of Prey]

Another question about LaRussa. Giolitto is struggling with his control in several innings. He goes out to start an inning and there is no one warming up in the pen. Where was Kopech is asked. Two guys get walked and they bring in Crochet who pitched the day before. The play was to bring in Kopech before the two runners ever got on.

[Bird Of Prey]

Two months of silence about Leury and now this post. Well done.

There is a reason why players are not in the starting line-up normally. It is because that there are better players on the team. Garcia is not a starting major league player talent wise. He a very good fill-in guy but that is it. He shouldn't have started either game. He is not better than Hernandez is any aspect of the game other than filling in multiple positions. This isn't on him. It is all on Tony LaRussa who makes out the line-up and puts people into the game. Garcia should have never been put in right field while there Engel there and hamilton available. That cost the White Sox the game.

[Mohoney]

Two months of silence about Leury and now this post. Well done.

Correction. Two months of silence on everything.

You Leury fanboys drove me out of town, just like you did to Munch and everybody else who had problems with the way this team was constructed. Well, here’s what your “great backup” “Swiss Army knife” bull**** gets you when it really matters.

Enjoy.

[FielderJones]

Two months of silence about Leury and now this post. Well done.

[Bird Of Prey]

And that was his role in past years. He only got thrust into an everyday player role because our entire outfield was injured. Leury did what he was asked to do. Now I guess he returns to his utility role spelling the regulars periodically. I'm not sure why he was in LF recently since our OFers are back, but I believe he should be backing up TA and Cesar giving them a rest now and then.

That pretty well sums things up. But that is all on Tony. Garcia looked like a monkey ****ing a football trying to catch that ball

[Bird Of Prey]

My son and I were talking about this when Tony pinch hit for Engel. It made no sense to pinch hit for him in the first place as a hitter but I asked, who in the hell is going to play right field. So, this is where the ****ing game was lost. He moves Garcia to right field and the game was lost on one line drive. An old baseball coaching buddy told my once and I'll never forget it. When you put in a guy who is your worst fielder at a position, the ****ing ball is going to find him. Guaranteed. And sure as **** it did. Engel should never have been lifted first of all but then not putting hamilton into the game just made it incredibly worse. LaRussa need to go back to his nursing home. He sucks.

[Mohoney]

Well, the chickens came home to roost on this nonsense.

The fact that Leury Garcia was in the starting nine for the ALDS is the PERFECT microcosm of this team’s self-inflicted failures.

Maybe someday Hahn and Co. will stop lying to themselves and calling a **** Army Knife a Swiss Army Knife. It only encourages the manager (Robin, Ricky, and Tony ALL over-used this scrub, so it’s NOT manager-dependent) to over-use a bad baseball player and allow him to spread that badness over MULTIPLE positions instead of just one.

Anyone paying attention the past eight years wouldn’t DREAM of giving that sad sack an entire series of playoff starts.

All they needed to do was decline the club option, let Mendick and Engel take those reps at a fraction of the price, and it would have been an instant “addition-by-subtraction” upgrade. Instead, we get 1-for-7 at the plate with the lone seeing-eye single having a sub-.100 xBA and a butchered line drive in RF…

Good luck defending this ****, Leury stans…

[longtimefan]

Garcia is a role player who can fill in gaps at times, but if used to much he gets exposed. He shouldn't be playing more than twice a week in my opinion.

And that was his role in past years. He only got thrust into an everyday player role because our entire outfield was injured. Leury did what he was asked to do. Now I guess he returns to his utility role spelling the regulars periodically. I'm not sure why he was in LF recently since our OFers are back, but I believe he should be backing up TA and Cesar giving them a rest now and then.

[Lipman 1]

Garcia is a role player who can fill in gaps at times, but if used to much he gets exposed. He shouldn't be playing more than twice a week in my opinion.

[ChiSoxNationPres]

TLR is concerned with the health and well being of his core line-up for the play-offs. He'll keep inserting Garcia into the line up since he won't start any play-off games. It's a better situation that Garcia be tired at the end of the regular season than one of the core players.

This is how I've started to consider TLR's thought process. He's using Garcia like a long/middle reliever that get's used too much and helps the rest of the pen stay fresh. He's going to overuse Garcia the whole season because he doesn't care if he's worn out at the end, as long as the starters are fresh.

[Frater Perdurabo]

Where would this team be without Leury, Mercedes, Mendick, Sheets, Burger, or Vaughan. Leury and Vaughan are swiss army knives who can play multiple positions. I am good with a keeping players fresh and rested. Teams need swiss army knives. It's a marathon and not a sprint.

Sure, if I’m caught in a situation without any proper tools, a Swiss Army Knife is very useful.

It doesn’t mean I’m going to build a house or fix a car with one.

Also, Vaughn is a future star/superstar hitter.

[beebee richard]

That is how I read it. LaRussa is pretty much old school and putting a guy in the starting line-up does mean a lot to the guy. Then when you pull him, it won't sit well with the player in most cases. This was a good move on LaRussa's part.

As for Garcia as a player, Guys like Garcia are a very valuable to a manager when players go down. Garcia is very versatile, especially on defense. He's not great at any position but is average to good at many positions. Being able to plug a guy in and be confident that the guy you are plugging in won't cost you a game is a good thing.

Let's face it, losing Robert, Jimenez, Grandal, Madrigal, Engel and Eaton really would have crippled the equivalent of every team in the major leagues. But you have to credit the guys who they brought up(Sheets and Burger) and others like Garcia and Mendick who were able to do a good job over a good period of time.

Leury certainly is not a starting player for a championship team but one of the guy's that really helps a baseball club through a long season.

Where would this team be without Leury, Mercedes, Mendick, Sheets, Burger, or Vaughan. Leury and Vaughan are swiss army knives who can play multiple positions. I am good with a keeping players fresh and rested. Teams need swiss army knives. It's a marathon and not a sprint

[Bird Of Prey]

Leury was supposed to start at SS yesterday until TA reclaimed the spot. Maybe this is a make-up.

That is how I read it. LaRussa is pretty much old school and putting a guy in the starting line-up does mean a lot to the guy. Then when you pull him, it won't sit well with the player in most cases. This was a good move on LaRussa's part.

As for Garcia as a player, Guys like Garcia are a very valuable to a manager when players go down. Garcia is very versatile, especially on defense. He's not great at any position but is average to good at many positions. Being able to plug a guy in and be confident that the guy you are plugging in won't cost you a game is a good thing.

Let's face it, losing Robert, Jimenez, Grandal, Madrigal, Engel and Eaton really would have crippled the equivalent of every team in the major leagues. But you have to credit the guys who they brought up(Sheets and Burger) and others like Garcia and Mendick who were able to do a good job over a good period of time.

Leury certainly is not a starting player for a championship team but one of the guy's that really helps a baseball club through a long season.