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  • Who has disappointed you most in the first half

    I'm going with Moncada, hasn't been terrible but certainly not the guy I had pencilled in for 25 homers and 90 RBI with a .290-.300 BA, 5 home runs is sort of pathetic. It could be that his bout with Covid is still affecting him but who knows. I guess he has some kind of hand problem also so that might be hurting his performance. Let's hope he bounces back and has a really productive 2nd half.
    Last edited by LITTLE NELL; 07-15-2021, 01:42 PM.
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    I'd have to go with Giolito- he's gone from being the #1 guy in the rotation- to 4th/5th slightly ahead of Cease. After that, probably Heuer or Foster- big drop offs from 2020.
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    • #3
      I can agree with both Giolito and Moncada. Unless it's still covid related, he seems to be made of porcelain lately. And Giolito is not the same pitcher he was last year. I'd rank him behind Cease at the moment. He's had his moments, but something seems off with him.

      It seems sometimes like Moncada doesn't have his head in the game all the time. Just an impression, I could be wrong.

      I certainly hope both of them return to their expected norms before long.

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      • #4
        I disagree about Moncada. Despite his struggles with power, he's getting on base better than he ever has before (.401 OBP). His walk rate is at a career high and he's striking out less often than ever before. He's still good offensively, good defensively, and on the basepaths. The only thing that's missing is the pop from his bat.

        Giolito has regressed from the last 2 seasons. He doesn't look like the ace we thought he was going to be this year. Abreu has regressed as well.

        My answer for biggest disappointment has been Eloy Jimenez. He refused to not be a DH and hot dogged it in LF which left him injured for most of the season.

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        • #5
          Abreu has been a bit of a disappointment because the expectations were so high. First the consensus was that he missed Jimenez. Then the problem was supposed to be the weather. Pitchers, for the most part, aren't pitching around him. They are attacking him and getting him out more often than they should. For June he only hit .182 with eight RBIs, only driving in six base runners.. His hits and walks equaled his strikeouts. That being said, he's still the hitter the lineup revolves around and the hitter you want to see come up with the game on the line. Up to this point, though, he hasn't been producing with any consistency., but we know what he can do and we know his level of professionalism. I thought Anderson would be doing better offensively, but he has picked up his game lately. Moncada was coming off of an off year, and I really didn't know what to expect from him, but I get the feeling he should be doing more both offensively and defensively.

          Giolito has been the most disappointing pitcher. His really good starts are fewer than we expected from the starter considered the staff ace coming into the season. It's strange to think that the season opened with Giolito on the mound followed by Keuchel, Lynn, Cease and then Rodon. A few relievers -- Heuer, Foster and even Ruiz -- have been disappointing, which may have had a cascading effect on Giolito being left too long in games.

          It's not disappointment that distills into frustration, except perhaps with the bullpen. The White Sox have been pretty good at winning games this season, in spite of the disappointments and the injuries. I hear MVP buzz for players whose teams playing around .500 baseball for all their contributions. I would much rather be disappointed in the performance of a few players and excited about my team than vice versa. MLB currently doesn't want to promote baseball as a team sport, but I don't think I'm behind the curve in thinking that actually winning games is important.

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          • #6
            Originally posted by TDog View Post
            Abreu has been a bit of a disappointment because the expectations were so high. First the consensus was that he missed Jimenez. Then the problem was supposed to be the weather. Pitchers, for the most part, aren't pitching around him. They are attacking him and getting him out more often than they should. For June he only hit .182 with eight RBIs, only driving in six base runners.. His hits and walks equaled his strikeouts. That being said, he's still the hitter the lineup revolves around and the hitter you want to see come up with the game on the line. Up to this point, though, he hasn't been producing with any consistency., but we know what he can do and we know his level of professionalism. I thought Anderson would be doing better offensively, but he has picked up his game lately. Moncada was coming off of an off year, and I really didn't know what to expect from him, but I get the feeling he should be doing more both offensively and defensively.

            Giolito has been the most disappointing pitcher. His really good starts are fewer than we expected from the starter considered the staff ace coming into the season. It's strange to think that the season opened with Giolito on the mound followed by Keuchel, Lynn, Cease and then Rodon. A few relievers -- Heuer, Foster and even Ruiz -- have been disappointing, which may have had a cascading effect on Giolito being left too long in games.

            It's not disappointment that distills into frustration, except perhaps with the bullpen. The White Sox have been pretty good at winning games this season, in spite of the disappointments and the injuries. I hear MVP buzz for players whose teams playing around .500 baseball for all their contributions. I would much rather be disappointed in the performance of a few players and excited about my team than vice versa. MLB currently doesn't want to promote baseball as a team sport, but I don't think I'm behind the curve in thinking that actually winning games is important.
            Amen to that, winning is the most important thing, it's the bottom line.
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            • #7
              Have to be Giolito.

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              • #8
                Nobody.

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                • #9
                  Does Eaton still count? Biggest disappointments are him, Giolito, and the bullpen (Heuer/Foster/Marshall in particular).

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                  • #10
                    Codi Heuer. He has been consistently and unwaveringly awful.

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by blurry View Post
                      I disagree about Moncada. Despite his struggles with power, he's getting on base better than he ever has before (.401 OBP). His walk rate is at a career high and he's striking out less often than ever before. He's still good offensively, good defensively, and on the basepaths. The only thing that's missing is the pop from his bat.

                      Giolito has regressed from the last 2 seasons. He doesn't look like the ace we thought he was going to be this year. Abreu has regressed as well.

                      My answer for biggest disappointment has been Eloy Jimenez. He refused to not be a DH and hot dogged it in LF which left him injured for most of the season.
                      This is purely anecdotal, and I am not trying to say anything about Moncada possibly being hurt or sick, but it sometimes appears like he is still fatigued/run-down/less than 100% out there.

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by ChiTownTrojan View Post
                        Does Eaton still count? Biggest disappointments are him, Giolito, and the bullpen (Heuer/Foster/Marshall in particular).
                        I had very low expectations of Eaton, so I don't consider him a disappointment - he turned out to be the flop I expected him to be. The disappointment is that the FO actually thought he'd be the answer to our long-standing RF woes.

                        I agree with the several posters who have said Giolito. While I still hope he's with the Sox for years to come, I'm glad the team didn't rush out and sign him to a huge TOR-level contract extension after that break-out 2019 season.

                        I'm disappointed in those bullpen guys, too. But they came out of nowhere to pitch well in last year's short 60-game season, so it isn't like they had a long track record of success heading into 2021. Bummer is more of a disappointment, but I'm hopeful that he'll be healthy and will get back on track in the 2nd half.
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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by Mohoney View Post

                          This is purely anecdotal, and I am not trying to say anything about Moncada possibly being hurt or sick, but it sometimes appears like he is still fatigued/run-down/less than 100% out there.
                          He does look run down. And yet he's still one of the best players on the team despite the lack of pop in his bat. Pretty incredible given the circumstances if you ask me.

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                          • #14
                            I go between Heuer and Giolito.Hoping both can turn it around in the second half.

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                            • #15
                              Giolito for sure. Moncada carried this team for a while. Giolito has just been inconsistent all season long.
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