*Official* 7/25 Win No. 1 Postgamer

[thomas35forever]

Give us about 39 more of those please.

[shingo10]

Interesting to hear Stone and Benetti say that as of now the Twins will be the best team we play all season. Makes this first series important and the one thing we couldn't do is get swept. Now that's off the table and we have a chance to take the series. Good stuff. I don't like holding my breath when we have 5 and 7 run leads though. Everything feels perilous with the shoddy defense.

[Dumpjerry]

Yeah, Leury sucks.

[Frater Perdurabo]

Yeah, Leury sucks.

The fact that he had a career day at the plate doesn’t mean he belongs in the middle of the infield.

That said, it was nice to see him redeem himself.

[voodoochile]

The fact that he had a career day at the plate doesn’t mean he belongs in the middle of the infield.

That said, it was nice to see him redeem himself.

True but just as today as an outlier for good offense yesterday was an outlier for poor defense. He's an adequate or slightly below defensive player at 2B. According to Fangraphs he's -5.5 runs / 150 games at 2B for his career. Yesterday was an aberration.

https://www.fangraphs.com/players/le...stats#fielding

[Frater Perdurabo]

True but just as today as an outlier for good offense yesterday was an outlier for poor defense. He's an adequate or slightly below defensive player at 2B. According to Fangraphs he's -5.5 runs / 150 games at 2B for his career. Yesterday was an aberration.

https://www.fangraphs.com/players/le...stats#fielding

And yet, we could BOTH have a better defensive 2B AND work Leury into the lineup in RF with Mazara on the IL.

[voodoochile]

And yet, we could BOTH have a better defensive 2B AND work Leury into the lineup in RF with Mazara on the IL.

At the expense of a year of service time for 6 games.

Edit: Sox are optimistic Mazara starts the 2020 equivalent of a rehab assignment soon, probably this coming week.

[Krs1]

At the expense of a year of service time for 6 games.

Edit: Sox are optimistic Mazara starts the 2020 equivalent of a rehab assignment soon, probably this coming week.

Do you think the Sox will call him up at the week mark exactly? Pretty damning if they do. Hopefully, they don't keep him down too long. Leury had a great game at the plate - he's still a backup.

[Frater Perdurabo]

At the expense of a year of service time for 6 games.

So we’re supportive of manipulating service time for a player that is unlikely ever to earn a maximum contract, thereby weakening the roster in a year when each game counts 2.7 times as much as a normal season, and also perhaps opening up the Sox to a grievance being filed against them?

Tell me, is there ever a time when the Sox management makes a bad/wrong decision?

[voodoochile]

So we’re supportive of manipulating service time for a player that is unlikely ever to earn a maximum contract, thereby weakening the roster in a year when each game counts 2.7 times as much as a normal season, and also perhaps opening up the Sox to a grievance being filed against them?

Tell me, is there ever a time when the Sox management makes a bad/wrong decision?

It is what it is. If the Sox think it's the best move then do it. Madrigal wasn't going to start the season with the Sox no matter what earliest he was going to get a call up was mid-April and wouldn't have been surprised for them to go for after the super 2 cutoff.

I have NO control over Sox personnel decisions. I just watch, observe and hope for the best. New CBA is going to rework all this stuff anyway so worrying about it now is moot.

And they seemed to handle the Anderson, Moncada, Eloy and Robert situations just fine. I am not concerned about their record with prospect service time management. They have proven time and time again they are able to get players signed and hold on to them and make them happy.

[JazzyCyclist]

So we’re supportive of manipulating service time for a player that is unlikely ever to earn a maximum contract, thereby weakening the roster in a year when each game counts 2.7 times as much as a normal season, and also perhaps opening up the Sox to a grievance being filed against them?

Tell me, is there ever a time when the Sox management makes a bad/wrong decision?

Of course, they make plenty of bad decisions, but from a long-term roster management standpoint, this isn’t one of them. If you want to argue that this season’s prospects should take priority over long-term roster management concerns, well so be it.

[JazzyCyclist]

As for the game today, this is how I envision the lineup performing more often than not. Not from a 10 runs scored standpoint, mind you, but from a difficult-to-navigate for 9 innings standpoint. Once Robert gets settled in, I suspect he will be a terror. Eloy is already hinting at the monster lurking within, and Moncada seems to be trying to make the trade worthwhile all by himself.

[KW1989]

I'm still conflicted by it. I mean, from the Sox perspective, I guess six games vs a whole year of control is a no brainer. I get it.

But I tend to view this from the player perspective, and if I knew that my team was acting in bad faith to rob me of a peak-earnings year down the road, I would be upset. And I would be far less likely to sign an extension with that team when the time comes versus hit the open market. It's not just about Madrigal, it's about the culture as a whole--I want the Sox to be a team that players love to play for and will sign team-friendly deals to be a part of. The team is where it is now because Sale and Quintana (and now Eloy and Robert) have taken those deals.

I don't want the Cubs/Bryant dynamic to ever be a thing on the South Side. The Sox have always seemed to be above that and I like that our players always seem to love being here.

But who knows. Maybe the Sox really believe that Leury is better. He definitely showed something today.

[Mohoney]

Interesting to hear Stone and Benetti say that as of now the Twins will be the best team we play all season. Makes this first series important and the one thing we couldn't do is get swept. Now that's off the table and we have a chance to take the series. Good stuff. I don't like holding my breath when we have 5 and 7 run leads though. Everything feels perilous with the shoddy defense.

A big part of that will be addressed in about a week.

[Mohoney]

So we’re supportive of manipulating service time for a player that is unlikely ever to earn a maximum contract, thereby weakening the roster in a year when each game counts 2.7 times as much as a normal season, and also perhaps opening up the Sox to a grievance being filed against them?

With this ownership’s spending history, absolutely. Any grievance will end with the same result as Kris Bryant’s grievance. It really is open-and-shut.