And so it begins..
First pitchers and catchers then skill position players all reported for Spring Training this past week. Once again Sox players and fans are gearing up for a season of baseball on the Southside of Chicago. The offseason wasn't as active as some would like, but the Sox managed to sign Andrew Benintendi to play LF and Mike Clevinger to fill the void at 5th starter. On the surface these would be solid moves, but the controversy surrounding Clevinger makes it questionable whether he will ever play a game for the good guys wearing black. The investigation is ongoing and only time will tell. Late in the off season they also re-signed Elvis Andrus to play 2B. It's not a huge move, but it's cheap and it gives the team a floor of competency at a position of need without having to rely on Romy Gonzalez or Lenyn Sosa to be MLB ready right out of the gate.
Aside from that the Sox parted ways with longtime team stalwart Jose Abreu to clear up playing time for Andrew Vaughn, Eloy Jimenez (DH) and Gavin Sheets all of whom would have been struggling to find at bats if they kept Abreu and signed Benintendi also.
The Sox are counting on bounceback seasons from several players who regressed or struggled with injuries last year to find out if this "core" is as good as promised. Will guys like Luis Robert, Eloy Jimenez and Yoan Moncada stay healthy and live up to their hype? Will Lucas Giolito return to the form he showed prior to his major regression last year?
In addition, the Sox are looking for production from some young players looking to prove themselves. Oscar Colas is going to have a lot riding on is massive shoulders as it appears he will be the starting RF to open the season. He has some past professional experience, but only one season of minor league baseball here in the states. He's got the ability to be at least league average but there are questions about his plate discipline and whether he's...
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The State of the Sox...
“The State of the Sox”
To say the 2022 season for the White Sox was a disappointment would be an understatement. But its more than that, this was a franchise supposedly in the middle of a window of contention, six years after a needed rebuild was begun. To see how the White Sox played this season… uninspired, badly lacking in fundamentals, poorly constructed and injury prone suggests deeper issues than just “one of those years.”
White Sox fans wish that was the case… that it was just an outlier, “one of those years.”
Since the organization as usual isn’t saying much and with the cancellation of Sox Fest this coming winter which deprives fans of asking questions to the front office, I canvassed my sources that I’ve gotten to know over the years, individuals who have a professional connection in various ways to the White Sox, sometimes for decades, to get a sense of what they think, what they know and what bothered them not only about the 2022 season but about the organization as a whole…from the front office, to the medical, training and conditioning staffs, to the broadcasters and of course the entire Tony LaRussa experiment.
In order to get honest opinions, without fear of repercussions I told them that no names would be used, no titles would be revealed.
Their beliefs suggest that the organization now is in a state where inept, dysfunctional and incompetent adjectives aren’t far-fetched in describing the state of the Sox.
The readers of course can judge for themselves.
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Thoughts on this past season
“We really thought we were going to have a great year, maybe not win it but go deep in the playoffs.”
“The problem with this team is there was no real leadership, nobody to hold guys accountable. No red-asses like the Sox had in the past… Carlton Fisk, Jack McDowell, A.J. Pierzynski.... -
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A Conversation With Ed Herrmann...
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A Conversation With Ed Herrmann...
By Mark Liptak
White Sox Historian
I had the chance to get to know Ed before he passed away from cancer in 2013 right before Christmas. And I was glad I did. Ed had a great sense of humor and a great sense of timing being called up to the Sox in 1967, the greatest pennant race in baseball history then being a part of the “Outhouse to Penthouse” White Sox of 1972.
Today it’s still hard to imagine a player of Ed’s caliber, playing one of the toughest positions in baseball being traded, because he wanted a 2,000 (thousand) dollar raise but that was the financial situation with the Sox at the time. In fact in the recently released book, “Chili Dog M.V.P.” the author’s wrote that the money the Sox got from the Yankees in the deal was used to help pay off the White Sox spring training hotel expenses!!
This interview with Ed took place in 2003. Again I really enjoyed getting to know him and I hope you’ll enjoy his memories.
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His nickname was "Fort" as in "Fort Herrmann."
True, Ed Herrmann wasn’t a Johnny Bench, a Carlton Fisk or a Thurman Munson... but then none of those highly regarded catchers was as good at blocking the plate as Herrmann who used a football player’s mentality when it came to the art of knocking down and blocking off runners at home plate.
While Ed overall wasn’t on par with those three contemporaries of his, he still was better than 75 per cent of the catchers in the Major Leagues and reversed the White Sox trend of having great fielding, no-hit catchers. Ed averaged in double figures in home runs for the Sox between 1970 and 1974 while providing stellar defense. He was good enough to make the 1974 All-Star team although he couldn’t play because of an injury. Herrmann was a small part of the 1967 club that almost won the pennant and then played a major part in the South Side revival that took place in 1971... -
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A Conversation With Donn Pall...
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A Conversation With Donn Pall...
By Mark Liptak
White Sox Historian
He’s the ultimate headline “Local kid makes good…plays for hometown team”
Yes, sometimes dreams DO come true as it did for Evergreen Park native Donn Pall who came from the South Side went to the University of Illinois and then somehow beat the odds to play for and pitch for the White Sox, a team he followed growing up.
Cinderella? Maybe not quite… after all he did have to have the talent to actually get into that position in the first place but it is a remarkable story. I first spoke with Donn about that story and his career in 2003. We’ve stayed friends ever since.
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You wonder how many Sox fans dreamed "the dream." The dream being the chance that someday, somehow you could wind up on that field. Not only on that field, but wearing a White Sox uniform... playing for the team that you grew up rooting for.
The odds have to be a million to one to get to the Major Leagues and perhaps a billion to one of growing up in Chicago and playing for the White Sox when you do.
Any wonder Donn Pall always seems to have a smile on his face? This is a guy who beat those impossible odds. Pall grew up in Evergreen Park and when he wasn’t playing baseball, he was watching it. Often in a seat at the original Comiskey Park.
Like the song says, "And the seasons, they go round and round..." and before you knew it, young Donn Pall was now 26 and on the same pitching mound where he watched Wilbur Wood, "Goose" Gossage, Steve Stone, LaMarr Hoyt and Britt Burns do their thing.
Pall played 10 years in the Major Leagues, six with the Sox and was there for the 1990 and 1993 seasons that grow sweeter with time. Donn still lives and works in the Chicago area as a financial consultant for Morgan Stanley, which is where I... -
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Roland Hemond R.I.P...
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Roland Hemond R.I.P...
By Mark Liptak
White Sox Historian
Word came to me on Monday afternoon that Roland Hemond, a friend and former executive with the White Sox had passed away at the age of 92. I knew Roland had been ill for the past few years but still to actually find out that he had passed was jarring and sad.
Roland and I had spoken a lot over the years and as I explain later in this tribute to him, he was always a man of his word.
The role of a general manager cannot be understated. He is the person directly responsible for acquiring and evaluating talent needed to win games at the big-league level. He also has to balance in his head the roles of economics, baseball rules, the player’s union, dealing with the media and thousands of other things on a daily basis. It is not a job for the faint of heart or for those who don’t have the experience of upper management.
In my opinion Roland was the best G.M. in the history of the organization and I mean no disrespect to others who also deserve consideration for that title…men like Frank “Trader” Lane, Ed Short, Ron Schueler or Kenny Williams.
When Hemond took over the organization the franchise was literally in shambles. He faced challenges no other individual who held the position of player personnel director/G.M. ever faced.
The Sox were on their way to a franchise record 106 loss season in 1970. Comiskey Park was falling apart from disrepair. Fans were staying away in droves because the area was supposedly in a bad neighborhood. In 1969 for example the team drew, for the season, only 589,000... even that would fall to a paltry 495,000 in 1970. In 1968 and 1969, owner Art Allyn was playing a portion of his home games in Milwaukee trying the market to see if it would accept a move of the franchise from the South Side. The Sox would even lose their radio station and have to broadcast games starting in 1971 on two small outlets in LaGrange and Evanston, Illinois.... -
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LaMarr Hoyt R.I.P...
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LaMarr Hoyt R.I.P...
By Mark Liptak
White Sox Historian
Former White Sox front office executive Dan Evans broke the news Tuesday morning that LaMarr Hoyt, the 1983 American League Cy Young Award winner and White Sox pitcher from 1979-1984 had died at the age of 66.
Hoyt came to the White Sox as part of a four-player deal with the Yankees literally right before the club headed north to open the season on April 5, 1977. “Bucky” Dent was the player sent to the Bronx because then Sox owner Bill Veeck couldn’t get him to agree to a new contract.
Hoyt came to the Sox along with Oscar Gamble, Bob Polinsky and 200,000 dollars. It isn’t known if Hoyt was considered a throw-in to the deal or not because Bill Veeck and Roland Hemond originally wanted left hander Ron Guidry included in the trade and Yankee owner George Steinbrenner was prepared to do it until then manager Billy Martin intervened and got him to change his mind.
Hoyt made his White Sox debut on September 14, 1979 at home where he pitched a one-two-three inning against the Athletics.
In 1980 he opened the season in the White Sox bullpen but by late July he moved into the starting rotation. When the year was done, he pitched over 112 innings, with 13 starts, three complete games and a record of nine and three.
1981 though was the season when things began to come together for the big man from South Carolina.
It started that opening day in Boston (the return of Carlton Fisk game) as he pitched two innings in relief to pick up the win after Fisk’ dramatic three run home run in the top of the eighth inning gave the White Sox the lead in the game.
Another highlight came towards the end of that year in Oakland on September 27 in the first game of a double header. Starter Ross Baumgarten got knocked out in the first inning giving up five runs and not retiring anyone. Hoyt came on to try to stop the bleeding. He did more than ... -
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A Conversation with Cory Snyder...
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A Conversation with Cory Snyder...
By Mark Liptak
White Sox Historian
White Sox fans may think the right field situation and the team’s inability to figure it out is a recent problem but history shows it isn’t.
The hole in right field has been around off and on for years. For example, the Sox thought they had it solved when they made a trade with Cleveland for power hitter Cory Snyder before the start of the 1991 season.
Alas it didn’t work out and shockingly Snyder was traded even before that season ended.
Sometimes though the reason something didn’t work isn’t obvious and there was far more than met the eye in this one as I found out when I interviewed Cory in 2002.
It showed the power of then White Sox hitting coach Walt Hriniak.
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His stay in Chicago wasn’t a long one. It wasn’t by his choice, and to this day, Cory Snyder wonders "what if?" What if his opportunity with the White Sox had been longer? What if he had been able to play on the 1993 Western Division Champion and the team leading the division at the time of the strike in 1994?
Snyder played nine years in the Major Leagues with Cleveland, the White Sox, Toronto, San Francisco and Los Angeles. He was a tremendous athlete with an arm that enabled him to tie for the lead in outfield assists in the American League from 1987 through 1990 with 61. He was an exceptional defensive outfielder only making one error in 310 chances in 1989. He had pop in his bat as well, stroking 115 home runs in his four and a half years with the Tribe. When the Sox got him in the off season after 1990, for pitchers Eric King and Shawn Hillegas, Sox fans thought the ‘black hole’ in right field was finally figured out.
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A Conversation with Chuck Tanner...
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A Conversation with Chuck Tanner...
By Mark Liptak
White Sox Historian
He’s really the first White Sox manager I ever followed closely.
I was born in 1955, so I was a toddler when Marty Marion was the Sox manager, I got to follow Al Lopez and Eddie Stanky a little bit but when you’re a youngster you’re not concerned with strategy, only ‘Did the Sox win today?’
But by the time Chuck Tanner came on the scene I was a teenager and started to understand the little things about the game that made the difference between winning and losing, how managers interacted with their players and with the media and of course the relationship with the general manager and/or owner.
It was with great pleasure that I was able to reach out to Chuck in 2005 as the White Sox were driving towards the playoffs and eventual World Series title. We spoke for a few hours going through his time with the team and the ups and down’s during it.
Chuck passed away in 2011and while the Sox never were able to reach the heights everyone hoped for during his time, for reasons that will become clear in the interview, he did provide some stability during a very difficult time with rumors abounding over where the Sox could eventually end up.
One story that didn’t make the interview because it didn’t happen until 2008 showed how Chuck still valued his former players even years after he stopped being their manager.
When “Goose” Gossage was being inducted into the Hall of Fame in August 2008, Dick Allen picked Chuck up in Pennsylvania and they drove to Cooperstown to surprise Gossage on his big day. Chuck was ailing at the time but wanted to show support for his one-time hard throwing relief pitcher.
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Chuck Tanner is a baseball lifer. Now 76, he still works as a baseball scout for the Cleveland Indians. He has been in baseball is various forms for over 50 years. What we’ll be focusing on in this interview are his days as... -
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A Conversation With Chet Lemon...
By Mark Liptak
White Sox Historian
A few weeks ago, I brought you my interview with former Sox outfielder Carlos May, a guy who overcame a potential career ending injury to have a very good career on the South Side.
Now I bring you the story of another terrific outfielder, Chet Lemon. Lemon also overcame an illness that almost cost him his life after leaving the White Sox.
Some teams are known for certain positions. The White Sox historically have been known for pitchers, shortstops and center fielders. Lemon was among the best center fielders to ever play in Comiskey Park ranking right up there with players like Gold Glove winners Jim Landis and Ken Berry along with other very good outfielders in Mike Hershberger and Lance Johnson.
I’ve lost touch with Chet since my interview with him in 2004. I wish I could get back in contact with him because, as I think you’ll see in the interview, there aren’t many guys as open and honest about life and baseball as he is. He was just a great guy to talk with.
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It’s amazing what you forget. Take this example. In the 2004 White Sox media guide on page 294 under the heading of ‘Career Batting Leaders,’ you find this in the top right-hand corner. Under the listing for ‘Top Career OPB + Slugging Leaders’, sitting in the 5th position all time is Chet Lemon at .814. Ahead of him is Frank Thomas at #1, Magglio Ordonez, "Minnie" Minoso and Eddie Collins. Not bad company.
Lemon is another one of those very good White Sox players that few knew about, primarily because for most of his career in Chicago, Chet played on some bad, nondescript clubs. He had to go to Detroit before getting national recognition and getting a World Series ring with the 1984 Tigers.
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by voodoochileAnd so it begins..
First pitchers and catchers then skill position players all reported for Spring Training this past week. Once again Sox players and fans are gearing up for a season of baseball on the Southside of Chicago. The offseason wasn't as active as some would like, but the Sox managed to sign Andrew Benintendi to play LF and Mike Clevinger to fill the void at 5th starter. On the surface these would be solid moves, but the controversy surrounding Clevinger makes it questionable whether he will ever play a game for the good guys wearing black. The investigation is ongoing and only time will tell. Late in the off season they also re-signed Elvis Andrus to play 2B. It's not a huge move, but it's cheap and it gives the team a floor of competency at a position of need without having to rely on Romy Gonzalez or Lenyn Sosa to be MLB ready right out of the gate.
Aside from that the Sox parted ways with longtime team stalwart Jose Abreu to clear up playing time for Andrew Vaughn, Eloy Jimenez (DH) and Gavin Sheets all of whom would have been struggling to find at bats if they kept Abreu and signed Benintendi also.
The Sox are counting on bounceback seasons from several players who regressed or struggled with injuries last year to find out if this "core" is as good as promised. Will guys like Luis Robert, Eloy Jimenez and Yoan Moncada stay healthy and live up to their hype? Will Lucas Giolito return to the form he showed prior to his major regression last year?
In addition, the Sox are looking for production from some young players looking to prove themselves. Oscar Colas is going to have a lot riding on is massive shoulders as it appears he will be the starting RF to open the season. He has some past professional experience, but only one season of minor league baseball here in the states. He's got the ability to be at least league average but there are questions about his plate discipline and whether he's...-
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by Lipman 1“The State of the Sox”
To say the 2022 season for the White Sox was a disappointment would be an understatement. But its more than that, this was a franchise supposedly in the middle of a window of contention, six years after a needed rebuild was begun. To see how the White Sox played this season… uninspired, badly lacking in fundamentals, poorly constructed and injury prone suggests deeper issues than just “one of those years.”
White Sox fans wish that was the case… that it was just an outlier, “one of those years.”
Since the organization as usual isn’t saying much and with the cancellation of Sox Fest this coming winter which deprives fans of asking questions to the front office, I canvassed my sources that I’ve gotten to know over the years, individuals who have a professional connection in various ways to the White Sox, sometimes for decades, to get a sense of what they think, what they know and what bothered them not only about the 2022 season but about the organization as a whole…from the front office, to the medical, training and conditioning staffs, to the broadcasters and of course the entire Tony LaRussa experiment.
In order to get honest opinions, without fear of repercussions I told them that no names would be used, no titles would be revealed.
Their beliefs suggest that the organization now is in a state where inept, dysfunctional and incompetent adjectives aren’t far-fetched in describing the state of the Sox.
The readers of course can judge for themselves.
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Thoughts on this past season
“We really thought we were going to have a great year, maybe not win it but go deep in the playoffs.”
“The problem with this team is there was no real leadership, nobody to hold guys accountable. No red-asses like the Sox had in the past… Carlton Fisk, Jack McDowell, A.J. Pierzynski....-
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By Mark Liptak
White Sox Historian
I had the chance to get to know Ed before he passed away from cancer in 2013 right before Christmas. And I was glad I did. Ed had a great sense of humor and a great sense of timing being called up to the Sox in 1967, the greatest pennant race in baseball history then being a part of the “Outhouse to Penthouse” White Sox of 1972.
Today it’s still hard to imagine a player of Ed’s caliber, playing one of the toughest positions in baseball being traded, because he wanted a 2,000 (thousand) dollar raise but that was the financial situation with the Sox at the time. In fact in the recently released book, “Chili Dog M.V.P.” the author’s wrote that the money the Sox got from the Yankees in the deal was used to help pay off the White Sox spring training hotel expenses!!
This interview with Ed took place in 2003. Again I really enjoyed getting to know him and I hope you’ll enjoy his memories.
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His nickname was "Fort" as in "Fort Herrmann."
True, Ed Herrmann wasn’t a Johnny Bench, a Carlton Fisk or a Thurman Munson... but then none of those highly regarded catchers was as good at blocking the plate as Herrmann who used a football player’s mentality when it came to the art of knocking down and blocking off runners at home plate.
While Ed overall wasn’t on par with those three contemporaries of his, he still was better than 75 per cent of the catchers in the Major Leagues and reversed the White Sox trend of having great fielding, no-hit catchers. Ed averaged in double figures in home runs for the Sox between 1970 and 1974 while providing stellar defense. He was good enough to make the 1974 All-Star team although he couldn’t play because of an injury. Herrmann was a small part of the 1967 club that almost won the pennant and then played a major part in the South Side revival that took place in 1971...-
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By Mark Liptak
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He’s the ultimate headline “Local kid makes good…plays for hometown team”
Yes, sometimes dreams DO come true as it did for Evergreen Park native Donn Pall who came from the South Side went to the University of Illinois and then somehow beat the odds to play for and pitch for the White Sox, a team he followed growing up.
Cinderella? Maybe not quite… after all he did have to have the talent to actually get into that position in the first place but it is a remarkable story. I first spoke with Donn about that story and his career in 2003. We’ve stayed friends ever since.
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You wonder how many Sox fans dreamed "the dream." The dream being the chance that someday, somehow you could wind up on that field. Not only on that field, but wearing a White Sox uniform... playing for the team that you grew up rooting for.
The odds have to be a million to one to get to the Major Leagues and perhaps a billion to one of growing up in Chicago and playing for the White Sox when you do.
Any wonder Donn Pall always seems to have a smile on his face? This is a guy who beat those impossible odds. Pall grew up in Evergreen Park and when he wasn’t playing baseball, he was watching it. Often in a seat at the original Comiskey Park.
Like the song says, "And the seasons, they go round and round..." and before you knew it, young Donn Pall was now 26 and on the same pitching mound where he watched Wilbur Wood, "Goose" Gossage, Steve Stone, LaMarr Hoyt and Britt Burns do their thing.
Pall played 10 years in the Major Leagues, six with the Sox and was there for the 1990 and 1993 seasons that grow sweeter with time. Donn still lives and works in the Chicago area as a financial consultant for Morgan Stanley, which is where I...-
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By Mark Liptak
White Sox Historian
Word came to me on Monday afternoon that Roland Hemond, a friend and former executive with the White Sox had passed away at the age of 92. I knew Roland had been ill for the past few years but still to actually find out that he had passed was jarring and sad.
Roland and I had spoken a lot over the years and as I explain later in this tribute to him, he was always a man of his word.
The role of a general manager cannot be understated. He is the person directly responsible for acquiring and evaluating talent needed to win games at the big-league level. He also has to balance in his head the roles of economics, baseball rules, the player’s union, dealing with the media and thousands of other things on a daily basis. It is not a job for the faint of heart or for those who don’t have the experience of upper management.
In my opinion Roland was the best G.M. in the history of the organization and I mean no disrespect to others who also deserve consideration for that title…men like Frank “Trader” Lane, Ed Short, Ron Schueler or Kenny Williams.
When Hemond took over the organization the franchise was literally in shambles. He faced challenges no other individual who held the position of player personnel director/G.M. ever faced.
The Sox were on their way to a franchise record 106 loss season in 1970. Comiskey Park was falling apart from disrepair. Fans were staying away in droves because the area was supposedly in a bad neighborhood. In 1969 for example the team drew, for the season, only 589,000... even that would fall to a paltry 495,000 in 1970. In 1968 and 1969, owner Art Allyn was playing a portion of his home games in Milwaukee trying the market to see if it would accept a move of the franchise from the South Side. The Sox would even lose their radio station and have to broadcast games starting in 1971 on two small outlets in LaGrange and Evanston, Illinois....-
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